Policing in the Age of Technology with Det. Anoop “Snoop” Dattani, West Midlands Police

Ari Redbord (00:01):

I am Ari Redbord and this is TRM Talks. I'm Global Head of Policy at TRM Labs, we provide blockchain intelligence software to support law enforcement investigations and to help financial institutions and cryptocurrency businesses mitigate financial crime risk within the emerging digital asset economy. Prior to joining TRM spent 15 years in the US federal government, first as a prosecutor at the Department of Justice, and then as a Treasury Department official where I worked to safeguard the financial system against terrorist financiers, weapons of mass destruction proliferators, drug kingpins, and other rogue actors. On TRM Talks, I sit down with business leaders, policymakers, investigators, and friends from across the crypto ecosystem who are working to build a safer financial system. On today's TRM Talks, I sit down with West Midland's Regional Organised Crime Unit Detective Anoop Dattani. But first, Inside the Lab, where I share data-driven insights from our blockchain intelligence team.

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On today's Inside the Lab, we're spotlighting the recent RCMP takedown of TradeOgre, an offshore crypto exchange used to launder tens of millions. Canada's RCMP seized over 40 million US dollars, 56 million Canadian in illicit assets, leveraging on- chain forensics to trace flows, identify wallets, and convert what many assumed was unrecoverable into actionable evidence. That 56 million in Canadian dollars was a record seizure. What makes this case powerful? Trade Ogre operated with minimal know your customer, handled high risk assets, including privacy coins, and acted as a hub for ransomware, dark net markets, hacks and scams. The investigation used TRM's blockchain intelligence to map the exchanges structure, spot choke points, follow layering patterns, and support judicial seizures. It also deployed TRM seat analysis tool, which lets investigators convert recovered seat phrases into wallet addresses and transaction histories, turning mnemonic fragments into full forensic linkage. This isn't just a win for Canadian law enforcement.

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It's a signal. Even exchanges built for anonymity leave trails. Platforms must comply, bad actors must reckon with accountability and global collaboration pairs with blockchain visibility to make the once hidden visible. And now I sit down with Snoop. Today, I am joined by friend and detective from the West Midlands Police in the UK, the regional organized crime unit, Anoop Dattani, Anoop. Thank you so much for joining us.

Snoop Dattani (02:47):

Hi. Hi. How are you? Are you okay?

Ari Redbord (02:49):

I am great. So they call you Snoop.

Snoop Dattani (02:53):

They do

Ari Redbord (02:53):

Which I learned. So if it's okay for TRM talks, we're going to go with Snoop.

Snoop Dattani (02:58):

Absolutely fine. I'll find you a lot more comfortable.

Ari Redbord (03:02):

I love it. And it's honestly pretty much one of the coolest nicknames that-

Snoop Dattani (03:05):

Thank you.

Ari Redbord (03:06):

... I can imagine.

Snoop Dattani (03:07):

I tend to think I'm in trouble if anybody calls me Anoop, so it's absolutely-

Ari Redbord (03:11):

I love it. All right. Snoop, one thing that I would love for folks to know is this is one of the coolest, I think, interactions, and that is TRM had a summit for the public sector in London, and you were on the stage, and I was just blown away by your insights and expertise, and also just passion for the industry and the space. And we were having a beer right afterwards, and I was like, "You have to come on TRM Talks." I don't think I've ever had that experience before, but I'm so grateful that you came on the show.

Snoop Dattani (03:38):

No, thank you. Thank you.

Ari Redbord (03:39):

So to that end, would love to start with your journey. Talk me through really how you ended up in policing, but also this sort of intersection of law enforcement and technology.

Snoop Dattani (03:49):

Not a problem at all. So I've been in policing for more years than I share to remember. So I'd started back in 2005, so we're talking 20, 21 years this year.

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And if you speak to my sergeants back at the time when I had a lot more hair and when I was fresh faced with a sparkler uniform, they'll tell you that two years in, it's written in my reports that I wanted to be a cyber investigator. I wanted to be a detective and try and deal with the most complex of cyber crimes that I could. So that was my aim from Daydot. And that's where I went with. And bearing in mind, 20, 21 years ago, the crypto space didn't exist. We were still talking about hacking on PCs, let alone laptops and mobile devices and everything else. So as time went on, it was a steep learning curve whereby it felt like much like the crypto space every day there's something new or there's a new tactic or a new element of technology that came about.

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So I'd moved from teams to teams and eventually what I would set class as getting my dream job in the cybercrime unit dealing with dark web investigations and cyber investigations from there.

Ari Redbord (05:08):

In those early days, that is really a unique story, right? 20 years ago to walk in as a relatively young detective officer and immediately say, "Hey, cyber, do you have a technological background, school, just growing up?"

Snoop Dattani (05:22):

If you speak to my parents, they'll say I was annoyingly curious. So I was someone that wanted to take things apart the second I'd bought them just to figure out how they work. I tried to build my first computer when I was 13. I say tried because it didn't work and that's the way that I've been, especially around technology. And I think in the early days I wanted to go down the route of being even an electrician and basically go down that route. But the IT world or computer science as it was called back then was just the world that I really wanted to get into. I tried my hand at coding and still to this day, I keep trying my hand at coding and it's not necessarily successful, but that's just the way I've been ever since a young age. If there's something that I could take apart, I'll take it apart.

Ari Redbord (06:11):

That's amazing. Just before we dig into your career and what you're focused on now, maybe just tell our listeners a little bit about West Midlands.

Snoop Dattani (06:19):

So the West Midlands is, I would say a lot of people tend to know where London is. So the West Midlands is roughly two hours north of London. It's a huge area with a diverse population. I'm a big football fan and we have every different type of football team that there is here. And as a result, we have different socioeconomic group, but socioeconomic groups as well. So we have all the way from the bustling cities right the way to the countryside as well, which is why I've loved working here because now two days tend to be the same in that sense. And working on a regional team, we cover the West Midlands, Staffordshire, Warwickshire, and West Mercia, which only enhances that landscape. So it's very rare that once you've worked here for some period of time, it's very rare to come across a type of job that would necessarily surprise you.

Ari Redbord (07:14):

Obviously, there's been this journey from what cyber used to be to now, as you mentioned, this world of cryptocurrency and dark net markets and other types of activity, really understanding how to investigate these types of cases, how to build capacity. Let's dig deep into your current role with the regional organized crime unit. Obviously, that unit probably spans a whole bunch of different criminal acts, typologies. You're very focused on that dark net crypto nexus. Is that fair to say?

Snoop Dattani (07:42):

It is, yes. And I've always thought when it comes to crypto investigations, slowly as times progressed, we've split them into two parts. So we have the reactive element of investigations and the proactive element of investigations. And I think the reactive is where all of us within the crypto space feel comfortable whereby there is a crypto element that we are aware of, whether that be a crypto address from a dark net marketplace or seedwords that we find on somebody's phone. And it's a safety net that we're comfortable with because we know what to do with that. And those type of reactive investigations I always tend to find are short-term, easy, long-term difficult in the sense of we have them and we can see very quickly where funds have come from and where they're going, but it's the overall landscape of the picture, which tends to get more difficult.

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What I'm loving now and where I see going is the proactive element and the proactive arm is only getting bigger. Because crypto assets and the use of those assets has grown bigger and bigger as time's gone on, it's very rare now identifying that if somebody is laundering assets or using value, that crypto doesn't form a part of that. So sometimes we'll get a nugget of intelligence and that might be from a bank or it could be from anywhere else that is not crypto related. And we can use that nugget to check whether there is crypto and check whether there is a footprint that we can then reactively build on. And that's where I kind of see the two parts of investigation going. One where we are using potentially real world identities to then find the culvert element of it, which is the crypto element of it.

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And then the other side, which is the reactive where we're finding culvert identities in terms of crypto addresses and trying to attribute those to the real world identities.

Ari Redbord (09:37):

Let's talk about each of those sort of independently for a moment. First one where you are brought a cryptocurrency address of some kind. How does it usually come in from a West Midland situation? Is this a victim coming in with information or is this another law enforcement agency? How does investigation like that start?

Snoop Dattani (09:53):

It can come from a huge variety of spaces. So it could be, as you've just said, we've got a victim who, for example, the victim of a ransom and they have a crypto address of the offender and we can start building from there. Likewise, it could be just from our own intelligence that we can effectively look and scrape and see what is already out there on the dark web or even on the open web and see whether there are not just addresses, but transaction hashes and links. And even sometimes, which is what I've looked at before, dates and specific times of transactions, which then allow us to look at the blockchain itself because the blockchain is open, right? It's easy for us to effectively go down that route and just state, right? Well, 1721 GMT, I sent Ari $5.99. It's not difficult. Well, it shouldn't be difficult to get into the nooks and crannies of that.

Ari Redbord (10:48):

The next thing is you're in tools, you're tracing, you're trying to attribute wallet addresses, you're understanding networks. Is the end goal a prosecution? Is it potentially a seizure? What is your end goal in one of these, again, reactive type cases?

Snoop Dattani (11:02):

I think it's both. In the reactive cases, we are trying to attribute an entity realistically. So we have the address, and this is for our grand sake, we have an address and we are trying to find out who owns that address. Now, where it used to be difficult is if I had a single address, then brilliant. There's lots of open source blockchain tools that I can use and trace that address and go back or go forwards. But what we tend to get now is we'll have numbers of addresses coming through and that's where tools like TRM save hours and hours of time whereby we can bulk upload those and start searching and seeing whether or not there's anything in the overall picture that we can then start moving forward. So in answer to your question, I would say both to an extent. Obviously, it's what the victim wants and what the victim needs tends to come first.

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So we'll move in terms of that space. Sadly, we're getting into the stage now where crypto is being used for more and more illicit crimes where there might be a threat to property or a threat to life. And obviously that will always come first as well.

Ari Redbord (12:07):

That's a great example. I would encourage folks who are listening to read, and then there's a great video on a recent West Midlands case where investigators use TRM, but also worked with Coinbase's global intelligence team. It really actually speaks to even that physical harm piece. There was a violent gang that was targeting members of the LGBTQ community using Grindr, essentially luring victims to a certain location where they were assaulted and ultimately robbed of cryptocurrency. What's so interesting about that is West Midlands working with Coinbase was able to track and trace the flow of those funds, actually able to identify the gang members where we saw a total of 78 years in terms of sentencing after guilty pleas. So that case actually, I would encourage people to read it. There's a really slick video on our website, but that actually marries a lot of the different pieces that you're talking about.

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You have the violent crime aspect, you have the crypto tracing, you have the working with the private sector of VASP or a crypto exchange in the means of Coinbase. Really interesting stuff. I mean, a great example of an investigation.

Snoop Dattani (13:09):

Definitely. And I think it's helped investigators, I should say. And I can speak for myself. It's helped me when it comes to using these tools for an investigation. It's a lot more black and white than it could be because at the end of the day, it's blockchain, it's there for anybody to see, it's there for anybody to argue against. And so as evidence, it's as strong as we could potentially get as long as the attribution is there. A transaction is a transaction, whichever way you look at it. I work with a really good friend of mine, a colleague, and she always says the blockchain never lies. And I think that's as true as it can be. It doesn't lie, so it's there for anybody to break heart and do.

Ari Redbord (13:48):

Absolutely. It's refreshing to talk to someone who's been investigating cases for 20 years because you understand that we were doing this long before we had to follow the money on immutable public ledgers. It was through networks of shell companies and art and diamonds and real estate and wire transfers and bulk cash. All right, I'm going to stay with this whole line for one more moment, and that is talking about the proactive investigations. What does that look like? Is that like, "Hey, we've identified dark net market infrastructure. We're going to work to take that down." What does that proactive investigation look like in crypto?

Snoop Dattani (14:22):

I have to be honest, this more recently, it's my favorite. It's my bag. Not that I would say I'm an expert in it in any way, but it's the bit that I get excited by. And the only way I can try and explain it is almost it's a nugget of information or intelligence almost like bait. And then it's our job to effectively take that nugget and build that picture, build that network. So we will regularly have investigations that are already well established. So they have details of suspects or addresses or locations or businesses. And in the past, that information would stay where it is. It would stay within the investigation team, which wouldn't be a problem. But what we can do now more reactively is take that information, see whether in the real world that information links into the blockchain, links into payments being made using crypto assets.

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And that's the bit that's quite exciting because I think anybody that's worth it, especially with Stablecoins being a lot more mainstream than I think they've ever been, legitimately or through illicit means if the way that businesses are transacting and the way that businesses are doing what they do. I know if I was an international business, that's the first thing I would do because why pay lots of fees to move my funds to America, for example, when I could just do it through the blockchain for less than pennies. So that's what I feel the reactive investigation, the reactive arm of the investigation is.

Ari Redbord (15:48):

And when you think about the threat categories that you're proactively investigating, what sort of jumps out to you? You mentioned dark net markets as a focus of your work. Other sort of threat categories that you feel like are on your list to investigate proactively?

Snoop Dattani (16:02):

I think both ransomware currently. I mean, it's one of the biggest topics worldwide now, especially when it comes to, sadly, to small to medium businesses. But we also have some big, big whales that have been hit with them as well. And I think that leans into both the proactive and reactive element of investigation whereby trying to establish that real world identity or real world location, or sometimes going backwards and trying to establish further crypto assets and infrastructure payments in order to carry out that ransomware in the reactive arm is something that will ... It's something that I know I'm doing quite a lot of and tends to show up more so than ever. That being said, a lot of we've just touched on dark net marketplaces and I don't think they will sadly ever, in my experience anyway, they don't seem to ever go. As soon as one gets taken down, they tend to be another one there for us again. And just when I thought back in the ... I was about to say back in the day making me sound like very, very old, but it used to just be drugs and illicit substances that would be on the dark net, which they're still there, but we're seeing more and more now of data being that tool that's being sold to other people and that data is worth quite a lot depending on what hands it falls into. And again, that's something that we don't want to happen, especially on a large scale because having somebody's details, a lot can go wrong with that. So I'd say those two mainly.

Ari Redbord (17:34):

That's really helpful. It's interesting, obviously, the UK has been a target for massive major ransomware groups for years in terms of the health system and otherwise, to include North Korea. Are you seeing a spike or a surge at all in violent crimes associated with cryptocurrency as well?

Snoop Dattani (17:51):

We are in terms of, sadly, burglaries and robberies we're seeing more and more of. Now, I will say other than the reactive arm of the investigation,

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I'm not hands-on with that element if I'm being brutally honest, but sadly, a lot of us have our phones and those phones tend to be the keys to our wallets. And if you aren't necessarily versed with crypto and cold storage and protecting your crypto assets, it's very easy to have those stored somewhere where after a few drinks, losing those funds can happen very, very quickly. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a violent attack. There's all sorts of frauds that can happen in order to get those crypto assets through. I'm seeing daily, and this isn't through my work, so I do a lot outside of work on Discord in the gaming community on different cryptocurrencies. And Discord, I think Discord is a platform that I've always felt has turned the world into a much smaller place because you can talk to anybody everywhere, all at the same time.

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And daily, I see people who are the subjects of frauds and hacks and spams that end up suddenly taking away their crypto assets as well. I

Ari Redbord (19:10):

Will say that you, to me, really embody this ethos that you really believe, you love this technology. I think you believe in the technology. You're part of the ecosystem. You mentioned the community on Discord and elsewhere, whether it's the Solana ecosystem, whether it's gaming. And I think you see your role in it is to protect it, protect this growing ecosystem in many ways. I think we talk a lot about cryptocrime and illicit activity, but the reality is that our job is to protect a growing and lawful ecosystem. Would you talk to me a little bit about, how did you get passionate about this stuff outside of work?

Snoop Dattani (19:45):

Ari, I absolutely love it. And I'm not ashamed to say I'm a geek for it. I always have done. And I think for me, and you're right, we're all part of that protective community to allow the right people who are there for the right reasons to use crypto assets and use them to their full potential. And for me, the thing that got me into this world is it felt like a kid living with his parents in his bedroom can be just as powerful as the biggest blue chip CEO ever with a laptop that is next to nothing. They don't need a powerful laptop to do it. And for me, that's what I absolutely love about the space. And that's why I then get frustrated about people who then try and bring that down through illicit activity. And that's why I think all of us have that responsibility to have that protective nature, to allow that kid to be that big CEO and to build whatever it may be.

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I know I talk about gaming, but there's so many blogs and forums and marketplaces. And if we've said games and in DeFi, there's so much out there that people do and do for the right reasons. And I think that alone should be worth protecting and to try and build on.

Ari Redbord (21:14):

I love that. Let's go deeper. You have a podcast or series talking to creators in this space, and then I would love to get specific on what is that gaming community to you.

Snoop Dattani (21:22):

So Solana Gaming was something that I'd initially looked at whereby it's the use of Web3 gaming, and then they're all sorts of different games as you go through. For me, and this is just personally, so it's not against anybody else, for me, the gambling element of it didn't appeal. And I think legislatively, it's not there yet. So I've stayed away from that element of things, but the gaming element of it, you come across people who are, and I'm not using the word lightly, they're absolute geniuses with the way that they will code and they will design and build legislatively. It's not there yet. So I've stayed away from that element of things, but with very, very, very little capital sitting behind them. So myself and a small group of us, we were just fans and that's all we did. We were just fans that kind of got together and it started off quite simple where we'd just talk about gaming strategies and new things that were coming out, new things people were excited about.

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And also what we would do is almost try and be those protectors whereby if there was something out there that was suspicious or somebody had come out and said, "I wouldn't touch that because of X, Y, and Z," we'd be there for that as well. And just to help the community to kind of navigate what is an absolute jungle in the crypto world in this space. So that's how we started. And then as time went on, we just gradually met different people and different developers. And it's those developers that have built really clever and really good games to bring that community element of it together whereby it's almost very, again, I'll say old score with forums and chat rooms and people are discussing tactics and ideas. And then what people are also doing, which we would never get elsewhere, is they'll discuss ideas and maybe create their own offshoot of the same game, but doing it their own way.

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And everybody is supportive of that because everybody just wants the right people and they want that ecosystem to grow. And that's what the podcasts that we do are. We've built on those and spoken to new developers, spoken to new people that come in the space. Also, we've spoken, as Strange said, spoken to artists. There's some very, very talented artists out there who might not necessarily have the opportunity in the countries that they're in to put forward a valid CV with experience, but suddenly they're in a space now where for free, they can build on that CV, they can build on that experience and they can call themselves an artist within the Web3 world and show that the community likes their art for no money for free, other than just all of us together having a common unity together.

Ari Redbord (24:20):

Snoop, that is so cool. For me or anyone listening who wants to get into this, any fun shout-outs, any builders, any developers, any specific games that you would shout out?

Snoop Dattani (24:33):

All I would suggest, all I would say is, because it depends on what type of game you want to play, all I would say is take the time to just go onto Twitter, go on to Discord and talk, talk to people. There are some brilliant people out there.

Ari Redbord (24:49):

I love that. When people ask me how to get smart or how do you get up to speed? I get asked that kind of question all the time in this space. And obviously for me, there's regulation or guidance or enforcement actions to read, there's cases, but I also tell people just to touch the technology. Spin up a MetaMask wallet, buy an NFT, create an NFT, mint an NFT, go onto Coinbase, have a cold wallet. There's all kinds of pieces to this. And I feel like what you guys are doing is so unique in that you're deep, but you're also still the protectors of the ecosystem, which I think is really meaningful. To that end, I know there's something you're else you're really passionate about and it's probably something that actually connects your career with your passion, and that is training and capacity building. What do you tell new detectives, new officers, or even if as you're talking to folks outside of the UK or West Midlands, what should the next generation of investigators know in this space?

Snoop Dattani (25:40):

Well, I think there's two parts to it. And one part I'd like just to touch on exactly what, as you've said, in terms of new investigators, I think for the first time in my career anyway, the technology that criminals will use, law enforcement can also use some platforms like Telegram and Discord that we sometimes get told as the one to not touch. They're legitimate to use, touch them, play with them, use them so that when you do get an investigation and instant Telegram investigation, you know what a Telegram bot is, how a bot is created. It's all free and it's all there for anybody to use and have a play with. So that's the number one thing. But number two, I think when it comes to frontline officers, I think there's so many opportunities out there when addresses are being searched or people are being spoken to, to accidentally miss chances of investigating that crypto.

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I mean, just today we were discussing cold storage wallets and I think one of the wallets that we were looking at was it literally looked like a USB stick. So for someone who's not trained in this world, they'd look at that and it would potentially not be seized. Whereas getting that input and getting that training, we're trying to get forward on different levels. So the absolute basic level of, this is what to look out for in a search, this is what crypto assets are moving all the way up to what we're talking about now in terms of the tracing and the analytics of crypto and how we go about with de- breaching and de- mixing and using the tools like TRM to the full capabilities.

Ari Redbord (27:14):

No, that's super helpful. And honestly, as publicly as I could possibly say this, anything we could do to support the work that you're doing around that I think is so important. One interesting thing I mentioned, the violent crime attacks across this, I think one thing we're seeing is it's, I think we reported, we saw about 70 reported globally last year of these sort of wrench attacks. Well, the reality is

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That is nothing. It is a drop in the bucket. And it's because most of these cases are mislabeled, you bring it to a precinct or a patrol officer or even a detective, it's a home invasion, it's a robbery, it's a theft. They don't bring that crypto angle into it. So what you're doing is so important, but honestly, we have to scale Snoop because it is really hard to do this as hand-to-hand combat. You need to have the executive buy-in, you have to have the resources. It just becomes a real struggle. It's amazing that you've gotten as far as you have doing this work and training.

Snoop Dattani (28:14):

You're exactly right. And I think it's exactly the same with even non-violent attacks with ransomware offenses whereby people are almost, in some cases, scared to report offenses, which we've had in the past as well. But I think as time's getting on and people are beginning to realize the manner in which these offenses are investigated, we are getting more and more reports, which I only see as a good thing. It's easy to see it as a statistic that crime is on the rise because of these reports coming in. But I think it's more a case of more people feel comfortable with reporting these crimes. And the more that we do get reports, the more we can build an overall picture of how to deal with them because having one, it'd be very rare to have one ransomware attack, for example, and being able to find who that offender is.

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Whereas if we've got a spite of them and a number of them, we can then start honing in terms of where to best investigate that offense.

Ari Redbord (29:10):

Snoop, thank you so much. Well, the last question I always ask is, what do you do when you're not investigating cryptocurrency cases, when you're not doing this capacity building? I think the answer is for you really engaging with this community. Anything else people should know about you personally when you do have downtime? Because it doesn't sound like the gaming piece is relaxing for you. What do you do to relax? Anything else you do to relax and actually ... Because it's a lot, right? This space is a lot.

Snoop Dattani (29:34):

It is. I do like my fitnessand I think the issue with crypto assets is it is a physically stand still or sit still type of job where your brain might be going a hundred miles per hour, but your body isn't. And I'm very mindful that it's easy to neglect your body. So I do try and keep fitness as a priority, so at least healthy body, healthy mind and all the rest of that and try and do that because I I tend to go down a rabbit hole. If you were to ask me a question that I didn't understand, you could guarantee you could see me at six in the morning and I'll still be there to research

Ari Redbord (30:09):

You. I totally buy that. After this conversation, I totally buy that. Well, we're going to have to get you out for the TRM run club next time we are in the UK for sure. Snoop, I just honestly genuinely feel lucky that you're out there doing this work and that we were able to connect in this way. And obviously anything we could do to help you or the team, capacity building, investigations, just really proud of the work you're doing out there.

Snoop Dattani (30:32):

Thank you. And I'll say the team at TRM have been brilliant, but just a big thank you to you as well, because your passion in this space comes through as well. So it's a lot easier to speak to somebody who's passionate about this space. So thank you very much as

Ari Redbord (30:44):

Well. It's awesome. We're in for the same reasons. Just keep this growing ecosystem safe, which is something we both love. Thanks again for joining TRM Talks. That was so awesome. I mentioned this story in the beginning, but I was at this TRM UK Public Sector Summit several months ago, and I listened to Snoop on stage and I literally went right up to him at the happy hour, which came right after his panel. And I said, "Man, you need to come on TRM Talks." And that was really because of the passion for the space. In that conversation, which was about law enforcement and cryptocurrency investigations and capacity building, he got into his podcast and gaming and his love for the Solana ecosystem and Discord communities. And that really blew me away because I feel like my view of this has always been we are here to keep this growing and lawful ecosystem safe.

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And the most important thing is to really stop bad actors who are trying to take advantage of transformative technologies. And I immediately knew that Snoop was aligned to that. So really cool to hear about investigations and the work he's doing there and the capacity building. For me, much cooler to get into really his passion for the Solana ecosystem, for gaming more broadly, for what he and his friends are doing out there. They're on the platforms, they're using the technology, they're engaging with builders and developers, but at the end of the day, to keep it safe, really just blown away. You can hear it in my voice, the excitement, just blown away by that conversation. On the next TRM Talks, I sit down with the co-founder of the Canton Network, Shaul Kfir. If you love the show, leave a review wherever you're listening to it and follow us on LinkedIn to get the latest news on crypto regulation, compliance, and investigations.

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Ari Redbord (32:45):

Now, let's get back to building.

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